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    Default Re: SPT-2 Wire group buy in Raleigh Area

    Quote Originally Posted by Al in Raleigh View Post
    The CDI pre-order price for plugs is a good deal. So good, I don't want to mess with doing a group buy on plugs. The plugs we ordered last year were about $7-7.40 per bag. CDI's pre-sale is $5.20. There is no advantage to order large quantities from CDI for the pre-sale that I know. So, if you want plugs order them directly from Paul.

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    The only issue with CDI's plugs is that I thot they were for Paul's SPT3, which isn't quite the same as SPT2. Now, I could be wrong, but just wanted to check...
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    Default Re: SPT-2 Wire group buy in Raleigh Area

    I am not sure but will ask when I put in the pre-order. Theoretically,SPT-3 plugs should work with SPT-2 but SPT-1 will not work with SPT-2 or SPT-3. I am making a purely wild guess.

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    Default Re: SPT-2 Wire group buy in Raleigh Area

    Uh Al,

    NO

    SPT1 and SPT3 (from CDI) are the same things. Paul has an extra UV inhibitor added to the insulation of SPT1 wire and calls it SPT3

    SPT2 has a thicker insulation and requires plugs and sockets with longer teeth.

    I have tried using SPT1 & 3 plugs and sockets (from CDI and Novelty) on SPT2 wire, the connection, if one makes at all, is very flakey.
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    Default Re: SPT-2 Wire group buy in Raleigh Area

    John,

    If Paul is calling SPT-1 SPT-3 then the problem is not that SPT-3 will not work with SPT-2 it is that Paul is being deceptive in his labeling. In theory, true SPT-3 connectors have a sufficient length with respect to the insulation displacement terminals to properly pierce SPT-2 wire. However. SPT-1 connector insulation displacement terminals are too shallow and would only lightly pierce the sheathing thus causing intermittent connections. If Paul is calling SPT-1 SPT-3 then his labeling is deviating from UL and CSA standards with regard to insulation thicknesses.

    Now having said that, I bow to your past knowledge of problems with Paul's connectors. I have no knowledge and am grateful when persons like yourself bring them to my attention. Having said that I am extremely happy with Action Lighting's vampire (insulation displacement) SPT-2 connectors. I am now confused and will likely require clarification from Paul before I place an order for connectors.

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    Default Re: SPT-2 Wire group buy in Raleigh Area

    AL,

    Yep, TRUE SPT3 wire is different then SPT1 or SPT2, but........
    Paul has always called his wire SPT3 and I have never had a PROBLEM with his connectors on SPT1 or his SPT3 wire. Work as advertised!

    Having used over 8000 feet of SPT1 and SPT3 (From Skycraft, Novelty, and CDI) and well over 1000 SPT plugs & sockets from
    CDI and Novelty, they all work great together.

    I did have a 250' spool of SPT2 (from either Lowe's or HD) and none of the plugs (SPT1 / 3) would make reliable contact. And they shouldn't have!

    Novelty does have SPT 2 plugs and sockets in inventory also (green and white) priced:

    1 - 49 $1 each
    50 - 249 65 cents each
    250 and up 55 cents each

    Great for your SPT2 group buy.

    https://ssl.adhost.com/noveltylights...pid=354&step=4

    https://ssl.adhost.com/noveltylights...pid=353&step=4

    Novelty has always given me much better service and faster shipping times then Action. In fact I only order from Action if I can't find it anywhere else.

    One caution on Novelty's plugs and sockets, they ship by weight in bulk bags, not by individual counts.
    The first order I placed with them, I was "short" a few (think it was 3), called Brad, he immediately shipped me twice the number I was short. (2nd Day delivery ) Excellent service! Everything I have ever ordered from Novelty except that one time has been perfect or better. My last order of 125 SPT1 sockets, actually contained 131 when I counted them! (Guess their scale was off that day!)

    Just my opinions and experiences!
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    Default Re: SPT-2 Wire group buy in Raleigh Area

    Quote Originally Posted by Al in Raleigh View Post

    I am now confused and will likely require clarification from Paul before I place an order for connectors.
    Al,

    Let me help "UN-CONFUSE" you. Do NOT order the connectors from Paul for your SPT 2 wire bulk buy. They will NOT work!

    Order the connectors from Novelty or Action for the SPT 2 wire.

    Now, are you un-confused? If so, break out the bottle of Jack Black and have a drink. On this end, I'll open a bottle of Gentlemen Jack and raise my cup with you!
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    Boy... I can't wait until the convention, lol!

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    Thanks John. I respect your knowledge and help.

    OK TASL folks. Please be prepared for a group buy on connectors in our future.

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    Default Re: SPT-2 Wire group buy in Raleigh Area

    Quote Originally Posted by wbottomley View Post
    Boy... I can't wait until the convention, lol!
    William,

    You don't have to wait until the convention to see a "scrap" between Al and I. Hey, we mess up all your forums doing it all year !

    At the convention (at least after hours) we'll be too busy keeping our cups full to argue about anything! (except what to fill the cups with)

    (hmm, no "Preview Post" post button here, wait, I just clicked "Go Advance". There's that "Preview Post" button. Must have been hiding there all the time!
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    Default Re: SPT-2 Wire group buy in Raleigh Area

    Quote Originally Posted by Al in Raleigh View Post
    Thanks John. I respect your knowledge and help.

    OK TASL folks. Please be prepared for a group buy on connectors in our future.
    Just a bit of advice. If you were thinking of Novelty, when Novelty has SPT2 plugs and sockets in inventory, better order! They seem to run out of them all the time!

    But they've always had the SPT1 avaiable
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    Default Re: SPT-2 Wire group buy in Raleigh Area

    I will take 1000' PM me on what I need to do.

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    The order will be placed Friday morning Jan 22, 2010. Last call TASL folks.

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    I sent an email but in case you don't see it, I want to bump up to 3000 feet of Gray SPT2. I am addig an extra 1000 ft for my friend Dariusz. I will help him join the site over the next week or two ..
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    WoW guys we are up to 12000 Ft that is 4000 more than last year. To bad there is no more price breaks after 5000 Ft.

    Glad to have you back Denny, hope all is well and wish you a speedy recovery.
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    Hey Denny,

    No problem. Welcome back.

    Al

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